Constructie canoe strip White Guide

tatii.....cu o carpa, sterge lacrimile alea. asa e mai bine.Crede-l pe cuvant. Nimeni nu-ti spune sa nu fi atent cand le stergi. Vei slefuii mult la ea oricum din moment ce esti incepator. Pericolul nu este ca-ti vei incarca hartia abraziva. Mai degraba vei pata lemnul. Ma rog.....in final faci cum vrei dar adezivul uscat va fi mai dur decat lemnul si poti avea surprize
 
cred ca era ok si daca tintele cu care ti-ai fixat sipcile ar fi fost batute printr-o bucatica de lemn ceva sa fixeze mai bine. Unele se vor indeparta de sablon pana in final. Sa fi atent
 
cred ca era ok si daca tintele cu care ti-ai fixat sipcile ar fi fost batute printr-o bucatica de lemn ceva sa fixeze mai bine. Unele se vor indeparta de sablon pana in final. Sa fi atent

Pana acum a fost OK, dar am ajuns la partea unde se face trecerea de la sipci verticale la orizontale si intradevar tensiunea e mai mare si se indeparteaza un pic de sablon.
Am sa fac asa cum ai zis, caut niste cuisoare cu cap mai mare, le pun o bucatica de sipca in capat si le bat de tot.
Am incercat cu holtzsuruburi subtiri, dar nu e asa bine prentru ca se trage sipca fix in punctul ala si se onduleaza.

Merci pentru sfaturi.
 
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Salut!

Ma apropii de final cu pusul sipcilor si o sa incep slefuirea/chituirea.
Voi cum preparati chitul?
In carte scrie ca rasina + fibre de bumbac + faina de lemn, dar eu nu vad pe la noi fibra de bumbac de cumparat.
Nu caut unde trebuie? O pot inlocui cu altfel de fibre?

Mai pun cateva poze:
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Gata cu sipcile :)

Am inceput slefuirea, si as avea doua intrebari:

1. In afara de estetica, e vreo problema daca suprafata slefuita nu e perfect plana? Nu cu praguri, dar mici "valuri"...
Sunt unele zone unde sipcile nu s-au asezat perfect, probabil nici nu-s de aceeasi grosime peste tot, si parca nu as slefui toata zona doar ca sa o aduc la nivel.

2. Cand o sa fie de chituit, e vreo problema daca nu chituiesc intre sipci? Ma gandesc ca golurile alea se vor umple oricum cu rasina.

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Gata cu sipcile :)

Am inceput slefuirea, si as avea doua intrebari:

1. In afara de estetica, e vreo problema daca suprafata slefuita nu e perfect plana? Nu cu praguri, dar mici "valuri"...
Sunt unele zone unde sipcile nu s-au asezat perfect, probabil nici nu-s de aceeasi grosime peste tot, si parca nu as slefui toata zona doar ca sa o aduc la nivel.

2. Cand o sa fie de chituit, e vreo problema daca nu chituiesc intre sipci? Ma gandesc ca golurile alea se vor umple oricum cu rasina.

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în primul rand felicitari pentru canoea pe care deja o ai!
„Vălurelele” nu conteaza decat din punct de vedere estetic, insa nu vad motivul pentru care nu le-ai elimina, doar ai lemn plin in care poti sa intri, nu ca in cazul placajului unde nu te lasa grosimea mica a furnirului. Baga rindeaua sau rascheta si adu totul la nivel: vei obtine in final un corp de care vei fi mandru si mai scapi de greutate :)
În ceea ce priveste chituirea, fa-o peste tot, inclusiv in gaurile lasate de cuiele sau suruburile cu care ai fixat stripurile. E drept ca rasina le va umple, dar ea e transparenta si cand prin fiecare gaura va intra lumina vei avea senzatia ca tot corpul e ciuruit. Un pic de sarguinta in aceasta etapa te va face sa indragesti mult mai tare aceasta barca atunci cand va fi gata.
 
Multumesc CrocodiluDiluDilu.

Mi-e un pic frica sa nu iau prea mult din lemn, am luat cu rindeaua pe ici pe colo dar finut, sub 1mm. N-as vrea s-o stric tocmai acum.
Mi se pare ca 4-5 mm cat o sa ramana dupa slefuit e asa putin.... Nu e? :)
Nu se pune problema sa se vada printre sipci, ziceam doar de santuletele care apar din cauza unghiului dintre ele.
Despre gaurile de la cuisoare/holtzsuruburi m-am gandit sa le pun cep din scobitori sau tepuse din alea de bambus pentru frigarui :) . Oricum o sa se vada, ca absorb altfel rasina, dar o sa se vada lemn.
 
In afara de estetica ? :))))) In cazul ambarcatiunilor de genul celei la care lucrezi tu acum, estetica este esentiala. Altfel nu vad de ce te-ai chinuit atat de mult sa lipesti sipculita dupa sipculita, sa-i pastrezi simetria, sa ai lemnul curat. Evident ca barca va pluti si daca este urata, nu asta este problema. Daca nu ai rabdarea s-o termini in stilul clasic migalos solicitat de proiect o poti face si in viteza fara probleme. In acest caz o chituiesti totusi in ideea de a nu prinde sub fibra de sticla care va fi aplicata, bule de aer. Poti vopsi oricand pentru a ascunde bulele dar treaba este ca ele se dilata la cald si cumva iti vor sabota lucrarea. Apar fisuri, lemnul ia apa...putrezeste si tot asa.....cum vrei tu sa faci e bine. oricine a construit o barca stie ca la un moment dat este incercat de aceste sentimente. depinde ce vrei. nu vad nici un impediment peste care sa nu treci si in final sa ai o barca superba
 
@mariusf pentru mine functionalitatea e esentiala :)
Estetica e si ea importanta, ca de aia am vrut barca din lemn, dar nu tin sa fie perfecta. Din contra, mi se pare ca micile defecte ale unei constructii din lemn ii dau farmec.
Daca iese prea bine o sa-mi fie mila sa ies cu ea pe rau :D
Sunt si cam la limita cu timpul, trebuie sa o termin pana la jumatatea lunii septembrie, asa ca sunt dispus la mici compromisuri.
 
"Valurelele" nu vor avea un impact semnificativ in functionalitate, dar fii atent la laminarea fibrei de sticla. Daca valurelele creaza zone concave, cat de mici, fibra se va ridica de pe lemn. Va trebui sa te intorci si sa umpli golurile de aer astfel create. Inca o data: doar daca creaza zone concave sau muchii mai ascutite.

PS: sfaturile sunt date cu cea mai buna intentie, din experienta acumulata, astfel incat sa-ti fie mai usor si sa te bucuri de toate etapele.
Am vazut tarziu postul tau legat de prinderea cu tinte, suruburi. Daca ai, poti folosi un pistol hotglue. Lipeste foarte bine sipca de lemn de forma.
 
Chestia cu estetica s-a repetat de prea multe ori ca sa nu o luam de buna. In timpul constructiei suntem tentati la compromisuri estetice in favoarea vitezei, insa atunci cand ambarcatia e gata, in timpul exploatarii te cam incearca o parere de rau ca n-ai rezolvat, cu putina truda, ce era de rezolvat si invariabil ajungi la decizia de a mai face o barca, care sa fie perfecta. Asta e si unul din motivele pentru care constructorii de barci nu se mai opresc din construit :(
 
Am mai dat cu rindeaua pe ea si incepe sa arate chiar bine... :)

Alta intrebare: in garajul meu se face cald, si cum is 40 de garde afara, probabil inauntru trece de 50. E vreo problema cu aplicatul rasinii?

Am cumparat Epiphen 4020 de la Polydis. In fisa tehnica scrie ca timpul de gel este de 45 de minute la 20 de grade, dar nu scrie ce se intampla la alte temperaturi.

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E ok dis de dimineata. Important e temperatura la care aplici rasina. Dupa ce ai dat cu rasina poate sa fie mai cald. Intuitiv asa cred ca stau lucrurile.
 
Cand nu ai incotro si trebuie sa lucrezi cu rasina la temperaturi ridicate, ai doua solutii:
1. Prepari cantitati mici. In acest fel timpul de lucru cu rasina preparata e mai scurt si daca chiar ti se intareste in pahar, nu risipesti asa de mult.
2. Rasina polimerizeaza in volum. Cu cat subtiezi stratul de rasina, cu atat polimerizeaza mai greu, altfel spus daca tii rasina preparata intinsa intr-o tava polimerizeaza mai greu ca adunata intr-un borcan. Sau o torni iute pe fundul canoei si o nivelezi cu racleta pe urma, scotand bulele de aer metodic.
 

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