Constructie canoe strip White Guide

Salut,

M-am apucat de curand sa construiesc o canoe dupa un model din cartea "Barci din lemn" de Gil Gilpatrick si as avea nevoie de niste sfaturi.

1. Poate cineva sa imi recomande un atelier in Timisoara sau imprejurimi unde sa tai lemnul in sipci?
2. As vrea sa o fac din lemn de tei pentru ca imi place mai mult cum arata, dar am mai citit pe aici ca lemnul de tei ar fi mai putin rezistent decat cel de rasinoase.
Avand in vedere ca va fi oricum invelita in fibra de sticla, este o diferenta semnificativa de rezistenta? Am de gand sa o folosesc pe rauri gen Bega, Mures.

Merci :)
 
Inca ceva... trebuie sa scurtez modelul de la 5.6m la 5.2m, ca sa imi incapa in garaj.
In carte scrie ca se miscoreaza distanta dintre sabloane, dar nu scrie exact cum.
Pentru a pastra forma barcii cat mai aproape de original, eu ma gandesc sa nu scad acelasi numar de cm intre toate sabloanele, ci progresiv, mai putin intre sabloanele din capete si mai mult intre alea de mijloc.
Diferenta de latime intre doua sabloane din capatul barcii e mult mai mare decat diferenta dintre cele din mijloc, asa ca o scurtare cu 4 cm va avea un efect mai mare asupra formei hidrodinamice a barcii.
Modelul are 11 sabloane dispuse asa (masuratori in mm):

Sablon n1-n20-11-22-33-44-55-66-77-88-99-1010-1111-0
Dif latime intre sabl:20020014080404080140200200
Distanta originala:460457457457457457457457457457457460
Distanta propusa:460447437427407357357407427437447460


In felul asta scade capacitatea de incarcare mai mult, dar voi vasli mai usor, sper :) .
Gresesc cu ceva?
 
Eu am construit canoea Wabnaki si am lungit-o putin ...am adaugat 5 cm la fiecare sablon ...poti folosi tei linistit daca imbraci interior exterior ...vei folosi cove & bead pt marginile sipcilor sau clasic la rindea? Pacat ca esti departe ca te ajutam eu cu taiatul sipcilor..am atelier de tamplarie..Sunt in Cluj ..teiul il ai sau il iei de la Holver?

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Multumesc CrocodiluDiluDilu si timberland0910 pentru raspunsuri.

Am citit povestea cu modelul Wabnaki, asa am ajuns sa cumpar cartea si modelele.

Cu scurtatul sunt un pic ingrijorat sa nu devina prea boanta, de aia m-am gandit sa fac asa... vreau sa pot vasli si in susul apei. Om vedea :)

Am gasit cu greu un atelier unde mi-au zis ca pot sa imi faca sipcile, in general nu prea se leaga la cap cu lucrari mici.
Cautarea ramane valabila, daca poate cineva sa imi dea o recomandare as fi recunoscator.

N-am mai intrebat de frezat marginile sipcilor la ateliere, avand in vedere ca nu prea am gasit nici de facut sipci. O sa le iau la rindea, asta e.

Teiul nu l-am cumparat inca, dar as vrea sa il iau de la Holver. Am fost si au dulapi de 300x25x5.5, am uita sa intreb daca au si scandura.

Stadiul actual e ca am taiat formele si lucrez la suportul pentru forme, intr-un garaj din alea in baterie.
E cald de mori, dar entuziasmul e mare :)
 
Eu am si latit canoea..tu daca o micsorezi poti sa o ingustezi. Eu am adaugat cate 4 cm total la 3 sabloane de pe centru si cate 2 la restu...daca tot mergi la Holver ia si un dulap de mahon sau iroko pt contrast...
 
Nu as ingusta-o, vreau sa fie stabila sa o folosesc la pescuit.
La Holver au si scanduri de 2.5 sau doar dulapi? as lua ceva pentru contrast dar o scandura cred ca imi ajunge.
 
Update:

Am luat scanduri de tei de la Holver, am gasit si un atelier unde le-am facut sipci.
S-ar putea sa pot folosi o freza la un prieten, dar nu gasesc nicicum bit pentru cove & bead de genul
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Stie cineva de unde as putea comanda?
Merci.
 
Parca la Hornbach am vazut. Au un raion destul de ok ptr lemn. Saptamana urmatoare ajung pe acolo si vad.

Spor la treaba!
 
Pana la urma am facut o improvizatie pentru a obtine cove & bead, am construit un canal inclinat la 45 de grade si am folosit o freza in S, cea din dreapta jos in poza
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A iesit relativ OK, nu perfect dar mai mult din cauza ca grosimea sipcilor nu e perfect uniforma.

Cateva poze cu ce am facut pana acum

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Am pus prima sipca :)

Nu reusesc sa ma hotarasc intre adeziv tip D3 ( seamana a aracet) si D4 (poliuretanic).
D4 e mai rezistent la apa, fiind pentru exterior, dar nu se absoarbe in lemn si ma intreb daca o sa faca priza rasina cand o imbrac in fibra.
Pareri?

Si pentru ca am invatat ceva din partea cu gasitul frezei la care am pierdut mult timp, as vrea sa cumpar in avans fibra si rasina.
Imi puteti da un sfat, de care si de unde?

Merci

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Progres :)

Pana la urma am folosit D3, sper sa tina.
Ma gandesc sa slefuiesc intai partile dintre forme fara sa scot cuiele, si sa le ranforsez cu niste coaste din fibra ca sa fiu sigur.

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Nu trebuie ranforsat. Sunt sute de canoe din astea si functioneaza neranforsate. Greutatea unei astfel de canoe aduce spre 30 de kile asa ca nu vei dori sa o ingreunezi suplimentar. Pana acum te-ai descurcat bine cu constructia. Succes!
 
Inca ceva... trebuie sa scurtez modelul de la 5.6m la 5.2m, ca sa imi incapa in garaj.

O întrebare poate fără rost, dacă ai avut în vedere varianta cea mai simplă: așezarea în diagonală n-ar rezolva cazul fără ajustarea canoei?
Pentru un garaj de 5,2m lungime si 2,3m inaltime, diagonala ar fi 5,7m. Probabil garajul are 5,5m minimum, dupa cum e firesc. Caz in care diagonala devine mai generoasă.
 
O întrebare poate fără rost, dacă ai avut în vedere varianta cea mai simplă: așezarea în diagonală n-ar rezolva cazul fără ajustarea canoei?
Pentru un garaj de 5,2m lungime si 2,3m inaltime, diagonala ar fi 5,7m. Probabil garajul are 5,5m minimum, dupa cum e firesc. Caz in care diagonala devine mai generoasă.

Da, m-am gandit si la asta, dar dupa cum vezi in poze garajul e plin si cu alte minuni, biciclete, roti de iarna, kayac gonflabil... am mai facut si o masa de lucru, nu prea e loc pe diagonala.
Plus ca incepand din septembrie va trebui sa incapa si o masina in el.

Am calculat sa iasa cat lungimea garajului ca sa o pot suspenda de tavan intr-o laterala, sa incapa si masina :)

BTW, a mers bine scurtarea aia progresiva. Sipcile se aseaza frumos si forma pare in regula.
 
Frumoasa lucrare !
Doar o recomandare ti-as face: sterge adezivul scurs inainte sa se intareasca. Atunci cand vei ajunge la slefuit o sa-ti fie mai usor.
Spor la lucru !
 
Frumoasa lucrare !
Doar o recomandare ti-as face: sterge adezivul scurs inainte sa se intareasca. Atunci cand vei ajunge la slefuit o sa-ti fie mai usor.
Spor la lucru !

Merci :)

In carte scrie exact invers, sa il lasi sa se intareasca si dupa aia sa il razuiesti inainte de a slefui.
Zice ca daca incerci sa il stergi cat e ud intra in fibra lemnului si iti infunda smirghelul la slefuit.

Nu stiu cum o fi mai bine, dar am incercat sa razuiesc adezivul intarit si merge destul de usor, ramane curat lemnul.
 

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